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The RTO Show: "Let's talk Rent to Own"
RTO Legend: Honoring Ernie Lewallen’s Legacy in the Rent To Own Industry
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What does it mean to leave a legacy in the rent to own industry?
In this special tribute episode of The RTO Show Podcast, Pete Shau honors the life, leadership, and lasting impact of Ernie Lewallen, a respected RTO operator, APRO leader, industry advocate, and one of the driving forces behind the growth and preservation of the rent to own community.
This episode explores how leadership, advocacy, mentorship, and industry stewardship shaped Ernie’s four decade career with UHR Rents, United Household Rentals, and RNR Tire Express. Through stories from colleagues, industry leaders, and longtime friends, listeners will hear how one individual helped influence legislative advocacy, industry standards, RTO World, and the next generation of rent to own professionals.
What You’ll Learn:
- Why industry advocacy and legislative involvement matter in the future of rent to own
- How Ernie Lewallen helped shape APRO, TRIB Group, and RTO World through long term leadership and collaboration
- The role mentorship and relationship building play in creating lasting influence in the RTO industry
- How customer service, integrity, and leadership culture can define a multi decade career
- Why preserving RTO history and honoring industry pioneers is important for future operators and business leaders
Episode Highlights:
- 01:36 – Why Ernie believed the health of the business depended on the health of the industry
- 02:16 – How Ernie helped build RTO World and supported legislative advocacy efforts in Washington
- 03:47 – Why industry respect is earned through leadership, mentorship, and consistency
- 05:23 – How Ernie became one of the strongest advocates for APRO and the rent to own community
- 06:12 – Stories about Ernie’s leadership style, strong convictions, and commitment to the industry
- 07:43 – How Ernie’s influence helped shape RNR Tire Express and future franchise growth
- 08:54 – Reflections from industry leaders on Ernie’s impact on family, leadership, and mentorship
- 09:32 – Why preserving RTO history matters for the future of the industry
Tools, Frameworks, or Strategies Mentioned:
- APRO leadership and legislative advocacy
- TRIB Group industry collaboration
- RTO World industry development
- Rent To Own Revolution History Project
- Leadership through mentorship and relationship building
- Long term customer service and integrity based operations
- Franchise growth and industry stewardship
- Industry history preservation and legacy storytelling
Closing Insight or CTA
Great industries are built by people willing to lead, mentor, advocate, and protect the future for the next generation. Ernie Lewallen’s story reminds us that leadership is measured not only by business success, but by the relationships built, the standards protected, and the people inspired along the way.
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Why This Tribute Matters
Ernie’s Career And Service Record
The Man Behind The Reputation
SPEAKER_03Hello and welcome to the RTO show. I'm your host, Pete Chao, and today's episode is to usher in the closing of the first RTO Legends series. This was a project created to preserve the stories of the people whose leadership, integrity, and commitment helped build this industry into what it is today. One of those people is Ernie Llewellyn. Ernie was more than a store owner. He was a leader, an advocate, and an outstanding pillar to the rent-to-owned industry, and over decades in this business, his influence extended far beyond the stores he operated. It lived in the people he mentored, the principles he defended, and the daily example he set. Ernie's leadership and love for this industry were a major inspiration behind the RTO Industry History Project, including this legend series and the book release, The Rent to Own Revolution. Ernie passed away recently, and while he is no longer with us, it is important that his story, his impact, and his legacy continue to be told. What you're going to hear is a tribute to Ernie Llewellyn and the mark he left on this industry. Let me tell you a little bit about Ernie. He was born on August 15th, 1955 in Ashley, Kentucky. He got into rent owned in 1986 with UHR rents, and once he was in, he was all the way in. For over forty years he built and grew the business the right way. Whether it was UHR rents, United Household Rentals, with RR Tire Express, he gave forty years of showing up, putting in the work, and doing it with integrity. But if you only knew Ernie as a store operator, p you probably only knew part of the picture. Because Ernie understood something that not every operator figures out. That the health of our business is tied to the health of the industry. And that if you care about one, you'd better care about the other. So he rolled up his sleeves and he got involved. He served in the APRO Board of Directors for over 20 years. He served twelve of those years on the executive committee. He was the APRO president from 1998 to 1999. He showed up to legislative conferences for 15 straight years, year after year, making the trip to Washington to make sure that lawmakers understood what this industry actually does for people. He was involved with the TRIP Group and the Ohio Renatealers Association, and when APRO and the TRIP Group came together to build RTO World, which is the biggest event in our industry, Ernie was one of the people who helped make that happen. The industry recognized what he had to give. He earned the President's Award of Excellence in 1996, the Ernie Tally Lifetime Achievement Award in 2013, which he said was one of his proudest professional moments, the Steve Krause Award of Honor in 2025, and an induction to the April Hall of Honor. That's a career that speaks for itself. But here's what I really want you to know about Ernie Llewellyn. He was passionate, he was opinionated in the best way, and he was generous with his time. He spoke his mind and he meant what he said. The people who knew him often described him as someone who walked into the room and you knew he was there. Someone who made you feel like what you're doing mattered. Someone who was invested and not just in the business, but in the people. Outside of RTO, Ernie was a husband of forty-eight years to his wife Debbie, a devoted dad to three daughters, Heather, Heidi, and Hillary, a proud grandfather to five grandchildren. Ernie loved to travel. He loved road trips in a sports car, and he loved the Beatles at high volume. Now, look, I'll be up front with you. I didn't know Ernie personally. I came to know him a lot of the way that you probably did. Through his achievements, through the way his name came across in conversations, and through the kind of respect people show when they talk about him. That kind of respect doesn't get manufactured. You either earn it or you don't. Ernie earned it. And when I set out to do this episode, I knew I wanted to be bigger than just me talking about him. Because the people who really knew Ernie, the ones who sat across from him in board meetings, who called him for advice, who watched him fight for this industry year after year, those are the voices that belong in this episode. So I put together a video. Friends, colleagues, fellow leaders, people who knew Ernie and wanted to share what he meant to them. I think that's worth every second of your time. Take a look.
SPEAKER_04And Ernie is on top of the elephant. Listen, if you know Ernie, you know Ernie did not know normal. Loud.
SPEAKER_07His voice carried through a room when you knew if Ernie was in a room when you walked into the room.
Gathering Voices From Those He Led
SPEAKER_02Ernie was just somebody that in a crowded room you gravitated to him. And uh he was always uh he was always uh on the rough on the exterior, but a teddy bear on the inside. And uh when there was a room uh and Ernie didn't know you, he would clear the people out of the way and go stick out his hand and shake it and give you a big bear hug and tell you who he was, and he would find out what you were interested in and he would talk to you like there's nobody else in the room.
SPEAKER_09I think his lasting legacy will be uh April. You know, Ernie was a key uh founder of that, and he was more passionate about that than he was his own business a lot of times. I mean, he really he poured his heart and soul into that.
Stories That Capture His Impact
SPEAKER_00In Washington, when we went on the uh uh meeting with our legislators, he he was there and he he would explain and explain and explain what we uh were asking.
SPEAKER_04He would go to meetings that weren't his to help people, and he knew that some people would not be as schooled in the subject matter, and so he would go with them and he would help. Ernie clearly understood what the transaction was versus what the transaction was thought to be, and so he was very good in Washington.
SPEAKER_01Ernie was a true legend of the industry. He served as president of Tribb, he served as president of APRO. Um, and it was he was always one that was willing to share his knowledge, his opinions too, of just an all-around legend that really uh truly cared for the industry.
SPEAKER_08Believability. Uh, when he believed in something, there was no talking amount of it. There was absolutely not gonna change. If he believed it, he was gonna make it happen.
SPEAKER_02You know, Ernie was told, don't touch it, it's just a prototype. And then the next thing you know, of course, he's the last one to go into the space, and then all the lights go off. When you tell Ernie not to do something, that was a license to do it.
SPEAKER_08And he just looked me in the face. He said, You know, I don't want to because I really feel like it's it's time for me. But I also don't want to do anything to hurt this industry or or put anybody in a bad light. So I'm gonna let you out of your commitment. I want you to change your vote on the next vote. And I I thought that was just really big of Ernie to be the one. And he just said, if it's a good, if it's the right thing for the industry, he said, let's do it. And so we got it solved.
SPEAKER_06The coolest thing was he's a big Beatles fan, and I walked in there to the first Beatles album would meet the Beatles. Except Ernie's picture was on it as well. He was the fifth Beatle.
SPEAKER_01He's a very vocal person, he's opinionated, uh, but he's also kind, he's soft. He'll sometimes come back and he'll start off a little bit hard and then he softens pretty easy.
SPEAKER_02Ernie represented his family uh extremely well, proud of his uh three daughters and uh and his wife Debbie immensely. So he was a family man first, uh a God-fearing man for sure.
SPEAKER_10And Ernie became our first official franchisee. And at that point, you know, having Ernie on the team, uh uh the previous April president, uh, was a boon. I had no marketing budget. We had Ernie.
SPEAKER_05It changed the trajectory of my life, and I think his memory will forever be stamped in the rent own, especially R.
SPEAKER_08He he wrote the entire funeral. Who's talking here? Who's talking here, what songs were played. It was a really beautiful celebration of life, and I think Ernie would have just been. In fact, I know he was happy.
SPEAKER_07Ernie, I know you're listening. Have a good old time, but uh we'll see you another day.
SPEAKER_05Ernie, I'd like to say thank you for everything that you did for me throughout the years.
SPEAKER_04I think I I would make certain that Ernie knew he made a difference.
SPEAKER_08Ernie. Our industry is better. Having experienced your love and your passion, everybody that had any chance to to to to be with your friend is better having that opportunity.
SPEAKER_09I think great leaders, great dads, great husbands um leave a giant hole when they leave. I think that Ernie is leaving a giant hole in his family. Save me a seat at the table on the other side, brother.
Final Lessons On Legacy
SPEAKER_03You know, when I started this Legends series, the whole idea was pretty simple. Make sure these stories don't get lost. Make sure the people who built this industry get their moment. Because too often in an industry, the people who laid the foundation don't get nearly enough credit while they're still around here. Ernie was one of those people. Forty plus years, thousands of customers served, dozens of industry leaders mentored, countless hours given to advocacy, to association work, to making sure his industry had a future worth showing up for. This is the last episode of the Legends series. And I think it ends exactly where it should, because Ernie Llewellyn is exactly the kind of person this whole project was created to honor. We're gonna miss him. And this industry is going to miss him a lot. But the good news, the real good news, is that the best legacies don't end. They just keep going through the people who carry them forward. Legends aren't defined by titles or years in the business. They're defined by the people they lift up, the standards they protect, and the example they leave behind. Ernie Llewellyn's impact on the rent-to-owned industry is not measured in just decades, but in relationships, leadership, and the countless lives he's influenced. His vision and commitment helped inspire the Rent to Own Revolution history project, ensuring that the stories of our industry's pioneers are preserved, honored, and passed on. Ernie's legacy lives in the people he mentored, the businesses that he influenced, and the industry he helped shape. Thank you, Ernie Llewellyn, for everything that you gave Rent to Own. Have a great one.